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the contrary. The Commissioner: How many rockets did you see? Mr. Dunlop: I think, my Lord, the evidence is about eight. The Commissioner: How many rockets did the “Titanic” send up? Mr. Dunlop: We do not know. She said she was sending up rockets for about an hour. The Attorney-General: From 12.45. Mr. Dunlop: For about an hour, I think, the Fourth Officer said. The Commissioner: Is not there any evidence as to the number they sent up; does not one witness say about 8. Mr. Dunlop: I think one witness did say about 8. The Commissioner: You saw eight, and the “Titanic,” according to some of her witnesses, sent up eight. Mr. Dunlop: That is so, but I do not suppose that the man who sent them up was counting them. I think, on the whole, we saw more than that, because, after seeing the eight the witness described seeing three more. The Commissioner: One of the “Titanic’s” witnesses said they sent up eight to twelve, I think. Mr. Dunlop: And the witnesses from the “Californian” describe seeing rockets a considerable time after the “Titanic” had ceased to exhibit rockets. They saw rockets till nearly 4 o’clock in the morning. The Attorney-General: It is suggested they came from the boats. The Commissioner: The “Carpathia” was sending up rockets then, was she not? Mr. Dunlop: The “Carpathia” was a long way off, steaming up towards the “Californian” at that time. I do not think it was suggested that the rockets which were seen about 4 in the morning were the “Carpathia’s” rockets. The Commissioner: At all events, does not it come to this, that the “Titanic” was sending out white rockets and you saw white rockets; that the “Titanic” sent up about eight rockets, and you saw about eight rockets? Mr. Dunlop: Yes, it is a coincidence. The Commissioner: Yes, it is a coincidence. Mr. Dunlop: As to the colour, it is not of importance, because that is the colour of rocket you would expect if a rocket was sent up at all. The number, again, my Lord, is purely guesswork on the part of the officer who was firing them, because he was not counting them. What he said was, “I was sending up rockets during the course of an hour.” The Commissioner: And did not you see the rockets just at the same time that the “Titanic” was sending her rockets up? Mr. Dunlop: I have looked through the evidence in order to try to fix the time at which the Fourth Officer of the “Titanic” sent up those rockets, and I have not been able to fix the time. The Commissioner: At all events, we know it was not before the collision with the iceberg. Mr. Dunlop: Oh, no; somewhere between 1 and 2. The Commissioner: Did not you see them somewhere between 1 and 2? Mr. Dunlop: We saw some between 1 and 2 and some between 2 and 3. The Commissioner: Oh, yes, and some between 2 and 3 possibly, but you see the same colour that the “Titanic” sent up; the same number that the “Titanic” sent up, and you see them just about the same time that the “Titanic” is sending them up. Mr. Dunlop: Yes. The Commissioner: Those are all coincidences. Mr. Dunlop: Is not that perfectly consistent with the view that the vessel firing rockets was firing answering rockets? If so, the numbers and the colours would coincide. The Commissioner: I was on a different point. I was on the question as to whether you saw the