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9607. When you heard this order given as to the lowering of No. 1, do you know that it had only 5 passengers? - No, No 1 was in the water at that time. 9608. You did not know how many were in it? - No, No. 1 was in the water at that time. 9609. Can you now remember the officer who was on the boat deck giving orders then? - No. 9610. But are you sure it was an officer? - Well, I would not swear. 9611. Are you still satisfied that the boat in which you went away was No. 15? - Yes. 9612. You were asked on the last occasion if a previous witness named Cavell was in the crew of that boat with you. Have you seen him since? - No. The Solicitor-General: He is here. Mr. Scanlan: Would it not be well, my Lord, if this witness had an opportunity of seeing him, as there is confusion? The Solicitor-General: We have him back. The Commissioner: To identify him. Mr. Scanlan: Yes. The Commissioner: Let him come in. You can go on with your questions in the meantime. 9613. (Mr. Scanlan - To the Witness.) Did Mr. Ismay give any orders? - No. 9614. He just assisted to help the passengers in? - Yes. 9615. With regard to No. 15 had you a lamp? - No. 9616. I suppose you looked for it? - Yes. 9617. Had you a compass? - Not that I am aware of. 9618. We may take it from you that the crew of No. 15 consisted of seven men? - All in the boat together? 9619. Yes? - There were more than that. 9620. How many seamen were in the boat? - One. 9621. (The Commissioner.) What do you mean by a seaman? Do you mean an A.B.? - I could not swear whether he was an A.B. The Commissioner: I am asking Mr. Scanlan. Do you mean A.B., because one of the witnesses said that he regarded one of the men out of the engine room as a seaman, because he said they could very often handle an oar very well. Mr. Scanlan: I regard the deckhands, my Lord, as seamen. The Commissioner: I wanted to understand in what sense you use the expression. 9622. (Mr. Scanlan - To the Witness.) When you say there was a seaman in the boat with you, do you mean one of the A.B.’s? - He was a deckhand. 9623. He would be either an A.B or an ordinary seaman? - Yes. 9624. Besides this seaman, how many of the ship’s hands were in the boat, members of the crew? - That I could not say. 9625. I thought you said, in giving your evidence, that when the boat was lowered from the boat deck down to A deck there were six in her? - Yes. 9626. Six of the crew? - Yes. 9627. And, then, do you know any other member of the crew who got into her except yourself? - No. 9628. So that you would have had seven in her? - Yes. 9629. Could you recognise the members of the crew who were in her? - The only ones I can recognise were those in our department. 9630. From your department? - Yes. Mr. Scanlan: I understand Cavell is here now, my Lord. 9631. (The Commissioner.) Very well; now just stand forward. (Cavell came forward in Court.) Now, Rule, look at that gentleman? - Yes, my Lord. The Commissioner: Now what is your question, Mr. Scanlan?
