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The Commissioner: That is what I want. Mr. Harbinson: There is no table put in distinguishing them. There is none. The Commissioner: How many third class passengers were saved altogether. In the Attorney- General’s opening, is it? Mr. Scanlan: Yes, my Lord. Mr. Harbinson: The Table put in quite recently by the Solicitor-General sets it out. The Attorney-General: That is the same thing. It only sets out what I opened. Mr. Harbinson: Of the third class passengers the Attorney-General says there were 709 carried, 176 saved, making the percentage of saved 25 percent. The Attorney-General: That is right. The Commissioner: You say there were 180 Irish emigrants? Mr. Harbinson: Roughly that is it, my Lord, I think. The Commissioner: And 60 were saved? Mr. Harbinson: That is my recollection. The Commissioner: Very well, 60 saved. How many third class; there were 709, were there? Mr. Harbinson: Yes, 709 carried and 176 saved. The Commissioner: There were 529 other than Irish. Now how many of those were saved. I suppose 116. Is that right? If the figures are right the unfortunate people whom you represent were saved to a much greater extent than the foreigners. Mr. Harbinson: Of course, my Lord. So far as I know that is a speculative calculation. There has been no evidence put in which would give the figures correctly. The Commissioner: But we know the total number. Mr. Harbinson: Yes, and there has been no evidence given of the exact number of Irish, and no discrimination made. The Commissioner: I am taking your own figure. Mr. Harbinson: As far as I know, I have given them to you. The Commissioner: I think they are probably right. The Attorney-General: Will your Lordship tell me the figure? Am I right in thinking the figure was 60 of Irish emigrants which my friend gave. The Commissioner: Yes. The Attorney-General: It is very desirable to keep as close as we can to the percentage. He says it is under 200 that were carried. I wanted to ask this. I suppose he arrives at that from the number of third class passengers who sailed from Queenstown. Sir Robert Finlay: Yes. The Attorney-General: Because Irish emigrants are not likely to have shipped at Cherbourg. Mr. Harbinson: No, I should not think so. The Attorney-General: We have the exact number; it is 113, and if that is right and 60 were saved, it would make it that more than 50 percent of the Irish emigrants were in fact saved. The Commissioner: What do you say to that? Mr. Harbinson: I merely gave your Lordship a rough estimate of the figures. The Attorney-General: I am only taking them and people who were not emigrants. Mr. Harbinson: I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the fact that there were 60 saved. The Attorney-General: I have the number here of those that shipped as third class passengers at Queenstown, and taking them all as emigrants that would amount to 113, and that must at least cover all those who were Irish emigrants shipped in this vessel. The Commissioner: I had accepted Mr. Harbinson’s figure. If that is so, then 50 percent of the people whose interests, in a sense, are represented by Mr. Harbinson, were saved. The Attorney-General: Yes, a little more. Mr. Harbinson: Could the Attorney-General tell us exactly - he has the figures before him - the