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based on a special davit with special means of launching. The Committee, as a whole, did not believe in the special arrangements; they did believe in modifications in the other plan that he suggested. Throughout that Committee the greatest deference was paid to Mr. Carlisle, and there was absolutely no pressure of any kind brought to bear on him. 24753. Great deference was paid to him but his suggested scale of 64 was not adopted? - His other one was. 24754. But the 64 was not? - And, as I say, I put it to him at the end, and he said the 16 was right. Mr. Scanlan: I see how you put it to him; I see the nature of the discussion. Did you state that your Sub-Committee still adhere to this recommendation of July? 24755. (The Commissioner.) He did say so? - The Sub-Committee has never met since. I say that the general Committee, supplemented with the additional names, adhere to it. 24756. (Mr. Scanlan.) Do not your Committee now think that there should be a considerable addition to the lifeboat accommodation for all ships? - Are you referring to the boats immediately under davits, or generally? 24757. Generally? - That we are considering. Speaking generally, we consider there will have to be substantial additions to the bigger boats. 24758. Is not this the generally accepted view, that there should be lifeboat accommodation for every person on board, passengers and crew? - I would much prefer not to go into this - not to express my own views on a point which is still before the Committee. I mean I am the chairman, and I would much prefer not to express my own view. 24759. But your Committee are still considering it? - They are, still. 24760. Tell me how often have you met to consider it? You know you made these recommendations after two forenoon meetings? - We have met, I think it is, 21 or 22 times since the loss of the “Titanic.” 24761. You have given quite an amount of consideration to the matter since? - We always give all the necessary time, Mr. Scanlan. Time is never grudged by the Committee. 24762. You have given yourself ample time since the “Titanic” in your 21 meetings - that is what I suggest, but the time you took before - two forenoon meetings - was, I also suggest, utterly inadequate? - We have been asked to review the whole of the life-saving Rules. The Commissioner: What did you say, Mr. Scanlan? 24763. (Mr. Scanlan.) I suggest to him that the two forenoons taken by the Sub-Committee to review those Rules when they came to this recommendation was utterly inadequate? - Are you asking for my opinion? 24764. I am suggesting that view, yes? - We gave ample consideration to it. I think you must remember that the members of the Committee are all experts. We do not have to examine witnesses - at any rate, I do not. I am the Chairman. 24765. Just a question on that. You say that the members of the Committee are all experts? - Yes. 24766. I will begin with the Chairman. You belong to the honourable profession of the Law, do not you? - I do; but since 1894 I have devoted a very great deal of my time to all matters affecting shipping, and I do really consider I am an expert on the statistics of shipping, but not on the building. The Attorney-General: I can vouch for that. The Commissioner: You are not likely to persuade me, Mr. Scanlan, that Sir Norman Hill is not an expert on this matter. I know him to be an expert. The Attorney-General: I know the assistance he has given us in some other matters. 24767. (Mr. Scanlan.) There are one or two other matters I should like to ask you about. Has the Advisory Committee of the Board of Trade made recommendations to the Board as to the